The problem with Groupon
March 31, 2011
I read a blog post recently which points out one of the many flaws in Groupons model. This time for the B2B customer using the platform and its mass impact on the SME marketplace. I suggest you read it before you do this as I speak directly to it and its author..
I think it’s good to look under the bonnet of such a runaway successes. Its consumer proposition is fairly clear but people are right to ask what is the true value for advertisers?
Before I respond I will make clear I am not an economist but I do have experience in high-churn promotion lead industries which is usually a race to the bottom that you describe. However I think that experience does and doesn’t apply in the context of your example and Groupon generally.
Race to the Bottom
There is only a race-to-the-bottom if there is no / to little product differentiation. Then all you have erosion of price in the market place.
Many do make money there at the bottom. You only have to look at insurance and specifically car insurance here in the UK to see how much money has to be spent in the acquisition phase and the annoying lengths they go to be front-of-mind.
However insurance companies are big and very good at math. Your average SME isn’t.
Apply this to local SMEs and I think despite minor erosion price may be the primary deciding factor in the first phase of the purchase life-cycle but will factor less in repeat high-street behaviour where decisions are often more complex including environment, staff, proximity etc.
Losing Promotions
The best comparable form of online marketing that can shed some light here is affiliate marketing.
In markets where affiliate marketing & CPA (Cost Per Acquisition) play a big factor, if you didn’t know your projected ratio of customer types by; life-value, churn / drop-off rate and true CPA you would find out 6 months later you had actually made a loss from your promotion. Paying too much for too little.
Why because a small savvy few would game the system by deal hunting with no intention to be a repeat customer. These will almost definitely be the early adopters of Groupon. If it makes it more mainstream this effect will diminish with more repeat / less savvy customers. The odds should play out.
Good predictive modelling, math and daily tracking would help you optimise your ROI. HOWEVER I don’t think Groupon will be helping you figure out what happened next.
Even if they wanted to they couldn’t because they can’t serve every SME with an account manager. Google haven’t even got close to this after all these years. AND a self-service dashboard is only relevant to a small number of tech savvy SMEs not the masses.
As you point out they could see noticeably more people through the door but less money in the till at the end of the month. They could sadly assume this to be part of a wider macro-trend, probably economic, or worse for Groupon simply writing it off as a failure. Both would be missing the point.
Missing Factor in your Math
What’s missing in the formula on this blog and in Groupon’s model as a whole is retention and its measurability. Groupon is just one part of the mix and in isolation won’t do itself nor its customers justice.

Here you cover just the one-off basket value but actually the only way you could see the true ROI is by understanding life-value of a customer.
This would allow you to understand the ratio and value of passing trade (who may be gaming the Groupon system) and returning customers allow you to adjust your promotions accordingly.
Missing Expertise
So this is actually where the Groupon’s business model and importantly valuation ($25 Billion IPO) falls apart along with Four Square and others. Most SMEs and especially independent high-street shops, bars and restaurants can’t and won’t ever do the math here.
For Groupon or any other SME focused B2B model you must be able to develop a service to allow customise to get real and visible value to come anywhere close to realising the valuations flying around at the moment.
Conclusion
Actually I think the targeting of Groupon promotions is rubbish but let’s assume they get it right. To use it well is complex and needs some hand-holding. Second the value actually resides in the gap between promotion acquisition, loyalty and retention.
Stop saying you’re a great business and become one
July 8, 2010
I’ve been a customer with O2 (UK Mobile Operator and Broadband Provider) for over 5 years as has my partner. I travel a lot, my personal phone is my work phone, I access the Internet via it a lot too, so have spent significant money with them. I signed up to the 16 month contract to get the iPhone.
I did once have massive issues with reception, it was none existent for me in my house, but I stuck with them and now it’s fine. So I’ve been a loyal customer. Why? Well until very recently I’ve been too busy to have an issue with them. I want an easy life and have other priorities.
However I’m increasingly told by my peers they are not the best around. Three of my colleagues and friends have left to Vodaphone for a variety of reasons one even setup this group ‘O Poo’ in a stand against new data caps which is a big issue for me. I’m due an upgrade and can’t get the new iPhone 4 because none of the o2 stores, that fit into my schedule, have it in stock. But my colleague just left and immediately got one with Vodaphone. So I’m beginning to feel a schmuck.
Today I was on the tube and saw this ad:
Whilst it’s for broadband it’s still o2 in my mind, The fact that they house all related o2 stuff in the same Facebook page would imply it’s the same to them too. When I saw the ad I got excited that o2 were going to really deliver on their Advertising pledge of ‘nobbling those niggles’ and the ad was implying you can work with them to help improve their solution in a Starbucks My Idea type way.
Instead you get a game where you can kill those typical problems with broadband. GREAT. THANKS O2. For me this sums up O2 and how seriously they take their customers. I want a better O2 not a game. I am willing to help you give me a better service. Looks like below others are too.
Spend your money on making your business better by using things like your Facebook page rather than ad campaigns and crappy games to make people think you are doing something. If you are good you won’t have to make games to drum home the point. People will tell people will tell people.
Right now I have three issues with you. I am still a customer. This is the extent to which I will invest in helping you keep me. Save me the hassle of moving. It is more efficient for you to retain me than spend loads of money trying to acquire a new customer. That’s basic math.
Listen, Serve, Retain, Acquire in that order.
The Death of Advertising – Media owners time to innovate
March 1, 2010
David Cushman and I recently attended OMEXPO in Madrid to present ‘The Death of Advertising’ to the Spanish digital industry (Powerpoint below). What we are getting at is that we believe all the energy put into making the way ads are delivered online better hasn’t led to much value for either the user, the advertiser or the media owner. This is because the Mass Marketing method that followed us from Broadcast Media simply doesn’t work in a networked world. So why continue to flog a dead horse, as we say in the UK.
Put the energy into finding a new ways to use the greatest tools we have ever had to connect with one another. Put simply it is our belief media owners should act as platforms to connect business and consumer to make better stuff. Stuff that actually people want. You don’t have to spend millions convincing them it’s what they want when you have involved them in making it.
Rather brilliantly we are actually in dialogue with 3 large global media owners about how to do just this. Only once we have fixed the media issue can we expect organisations to make best use of it.
The market cycle for social technology, at least outside of the US only recently crossed the ‘Chasm’ from simply being this disruptive innovation that nobody, apart from the founders, made any money out of…. Social Media.
In part this ‘chasm’ was crossed largely by PR applying the technological innovation to their business function. That made sense because it was understood as a new ‘media’. But now the rest of the business is seeing that this technology brings benefits beyond another place for it to do campaigns. Many are playing around in this space but few outside the US have done so with significant investment on an operational par with their traditional processes.
I recently spoke with the team behind BT Care, BT’s online customer initiative, and discovered that whilst comparatively small, traditionally they handle 100,000,000 calls, 20 million emails, 750,000 letters ayear, they have 15 staff handling 3500 online conversations a month. They have made significant investment in making it a core part of their operations and in some cases changing how they work as a business to accommodate its demands and opportunities. I was very impressed with what I heard and have summarised the key aspects below:
Q1) Why BTCare?
-Part of a wider initiative to go where the customer is and migrate an increasing amount of customer service online. They felt being a broadband business they simply had to be there.
- Drive customer satisfaction and as a result advocacy
- Understand the negative, learn from it and improve
Q2) How did it start / evolve?
- Began manually listening to negative conversations in forums such as Money Expert, Twitter and blogs.
-Went on to develop ‘Debate Scape’ some proprietary listening technology with a bespoke dashboard that feeds into their workflow systems at an industrial level. By taking advantage of their businesses legacy and knowledge in customer service systems the BT Innovation team built it from scratch.
-The rationale for creating Debate Scape rather than licensing existing 3rd party solutions was they knew for it to make any real impact it needed to be at an operational level. This required a level of investment on same terms.
Q3) How do they measure success?
-They use something similar to the Net Promoter Score – Detractors, advocates etc. as well as their traditional customer satisfaction scoring system.
-Because everything can be tracked digitally, transcripts with tweets, it is easier to truly understand satisfaction scoring. Because you are permanently connected via social tech, they don’t stop following someone on Twitter once a problem has been rectified, they can always check in with the customer over a longer period of time.
Q3) Can and do you measure its direct financial ROI?
Quite simply they achieve customer service 20% more cheaply and with 20% more customer satisfaction. So greater efficiency and retention.
4) What were the key benefits?
Faster, response time is quicker, more efficient, and whilst ‘traditionally it was all about one contact resolution now it’s about single channel resolution’.
5) Has there been an impacts on other parts of the business?
The Group CEO and Retail CEO now regulary talk every month about how the benefits can be brought across other areas of the business such as Sales etc
Business silos are starting to break down. Recognising a blurring between pr, marketing, and customer care. They deliberately brought in marketing people into the customer care team for this very reason.
The BT Care team will take an issue to PR / marketing, consult with them and because they have bought their confidence through demonstrating operational capability and success in the delivery mechanism can then go and implement the action themselves.
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What’s really interesting in this case-study is the impact on the old ways of defining roles and responsibilities. It’s great to see BT in this space and embracing the opportunity presented to them to innovate and improve efficiency by social technologies. I look forward to seeing how the rest of the business follows.









